With Hearts Burning – Module 5

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Module Five

The Eucharistic Encounter with the
Risen Christ

Mary Star of the Sea Gisborne July 2018


Below is a collation of responses provided by several
discussion groups representing the comments from over eighty people involved in
and with the parish. Wherever possible the actual words reported have been used
and comments with similar wording have been included together. A number of very
specific and detailed suggestions because of their length have not been
included here but are held in their original form and are available for viewing
and discussion.  The original reports are held for reference.



began by discussing Pope Francis’ comment that “at times we lose people

they don’t understand what we are saying, because we have forgotten

language of simplicity and import an intellectualism foreign to our people.”

have lost the language of simplicity. We recommend that we return to the

language of the heart.

of modern life –Noise abounds

comfort of churches perhaps not conducive to staying awake and alert

become too comfortable with oneself either

work with and for God – or should do


Question One:

are our parish liturgies reviewed in our parish school or community?


for the liturgy is not a simple task. It is a joint affair involving several
groups – readers, musicians, clergy and even flower ladies taking a part and
sharing ideas. It is constantly being reviewed by these groups – what worked,
what could be done better next time etc. Interaction/communication between
contributors is important and the results can be seen in the liturgy itself,
and the response from the congregation. Feedback from parishioners is always
taken into account by the various groups and is acted on if deemed




The priests and religious in
the community have an over view of the community and school practices and are
able to review critically how liturgical practices are exercised and
demonstrated on a daily/weekly basis . They are then able to address concerns or
appreciations directly to individuals or to the various groups in the parish.
Also accepting and encouraging people when things don’t go to plan and learning
and moving on from that.


We do have liturgists in our parish, there is informal
review by the priests and school DRS’s but there is no formal review of our

Recommend that lay people are identified and supported to
gain training in liturgy

Question Two

has responsibility for planning liturgies? How are people trained? Is there any
teaching on the rites of the Church


don’t have a liturgy committee. Each Sunday a different group

the music for the Eucharist. We don’t know who prepares the

prayers of the faithful.

Liturgies are planned by priests DRS’s. Music for masses is
planned by music groups. Flowers are managed by floral groups. Talented
parishioners develop very effective focal decorations for feast days eg
Christmas, Easter

We have a variety of groups within our parish who are responsible for
planning parish liturgies including, Music Group; Youth Group; Guitar Group;
Maori/Tongan Group; Filipino Group; DRS (Secondary); DRS (Primary) that share the responsibilities for community liturgies.

These groups rely on guidance from the clergy and religious to
demonstrate the rites and liturgical practices relevant for a particular
liturgical season of the church.


people now have Daily Missals, but there are plenty of alternative resources

Our monthly parish news booklet is a good resource and the Parish has a

website. Catholic periodicals are important and there are really good on line

available. The Parish Leadership Team also plays a part.


of the groups look at the Readings and plan their hymns around these


our common knowledge there has been no formal teaching on the Rites of the
Church. Parish priest is present for some of the planning sessions held by the
Music Group and would teach them


is that if required to be trained or restricted, it would may scare them off
and they would withdraw their generous time-consuming efforts!


Question Three

How is a variety of music introduced? How are
hymns taught?

variety of music because it is prepared by different groups. Using

power point enables new hymns to be introduced

have Filipino group, Maori group, Youth group and Choir who share the music for
Sunday Masses. Projector screen is very helpful device but not always easy to
read the screen. Possibly the background colour absorbs too much colour. The
Philippine and Island choirs are a very worthy supplement to our traditional
groups. Some hymns that are not well known are difficult to sing to, may be
better started with the general congregation


We have a variety of musical
groups that bring their special flavour to the Masses.. The congregations are
open to other cultures, their languages and rituals pertaining to each culture
and openly support the differences each present.

different groups take responsibility for various Sunday Masses ensuring a
variety of music in the Mass.


the same hymns and Mass settings are used, but a different accompaniment gives
a fresh feel to the music.


 Often groups have their
own hymns which they like to use – e.g. the Maori Mass group and the Filipino
group. Groups taking part include the Youth Group, Guitar Group, Filipino
Group, Maori Mass Group, the regular cantors and occasionally school


hymns can be played/sung before Mass and used if suitable as Communion hymns.
The congregation are usually quick at picking up new hymns and join in the singing, especially if the melody
or content appeals. New hymns are introduced over two or three Sunday’s using
texts on the power point


Question Four

 How can we assist our people to pray the Mass? What resources
and methods should we use?

many words. Fewer readings. Lectio Divino. Greater participation by

our faith with one another. Flexibility so that the readings can

more appropriate to those present. Our living God is still revealing

Gods wisdom through people and nature today. Eg. Pope

the prayers, hymns, responses and instructions as to when to sit/stand/kneel on
PowerPoint has enabled full and active participation from everyone especially
children, non-Catholics, ‘resting ‘Catholics.


Encourage small group participation

 We felt it would be a great advantage to us all to explain
the mass and its workings in simple words and actions to better understand the
mystery of it all and the traditions involved in its history. Even if one facet
is covered every couple of months with emphasis on the Eucharist

The overhead projector and power point are wonderful resources
which allow the congregation to follow and fully participate in the process of
the Mass
instructs visitors and those who are unsure as to local custom.  


The books are available in English and Maori and remain valuable
resources for those of us who have to refer to them often.


weekly printed “notices” and the monthly “Star” booklet provide comment and
news, keeping us up to date with any adjustments.


the congregation, are responsible for setting the tone and have a
responsibility to be involved and set an example.


Question Five

Parishes often have greeters at the door before
Mass. How do they connect with the people?

The greeters are a pleasant introduction on
entry.  More so for those who are new to the parish/church.
 Greetings to fellow parishioners before Mass is also great.
have greeters, and feel that they do a good job. They make people feel welcome
and offer assistance if they think it is needed. Young people and children are
often involved. The cup of tea after some Masses  also enhances the sense of community.
More greeters needed. Get young involved with their parents.

up to us all to be greeters.

do often inform the Presider of a visitor or if they encounter someone with a special


recommend that, at the beginning of Mass, the Leader welcomes everyone and
invites people to greet each other. The normal reflection on the readings and
Gathering Hymn would then follow as per normal. This would enable ‘connection’
and makes the Mass more communal.


Monsignor Frank is very inclusive particularly at funeral
services and Requiem Masses.

Active presence of priests before and after mass meeting
people in the foyer of the church. Also active presence in school activities
and with other groups within and outside the church and throughout the parish.

What has happened to the end of month
celebration of birthdays at the end of Mass?  That was a lovely parish



Question Six

How do we coordinate the parish and school

the schools are well involved due to our parish priest.

Important that children connect to God at their own level.

from our college are involved in the monthly Youth Mass

are invited to attend College Masses

from our primary school attend the parish morning Mass every Wednesday. Hymns
and psalms are chosen to enhance their participation.

a term children from the primary school are encouraged to attend a parish
Sunday Mass.

would like to have the hymns the children sing e.g. on a Wednesday, also sung
at weekend Masses. These hymns are uplifting, meaningful, and theologically
appropriate for today’s culture and encourage participation of both adults and


There is a very cooperative approach between the schools,
the parish musicians and the people preparing the power point for the Mass.
Both Campion and St Mary’s are learning the same Masses as the parish mass

Question Seven

How is the sense of mystery and wonder enhanced
in the celebration of our community’s Mass?

Art, decorations and flowers. We are well served and dress
well for the occasion.

We have very talented people as parishioners who make a
very significant contribution to decorations in the church to enhance the
mystery and meaning of our liturgies

The wonder, beauty and mystery
of the Mass is the mystery and act of Faith we demonstrate when we accept that
bread and wine is consecrated and becomes the Body and  Blood of Christ.
Our acceptance of this mystery of faith is the hall mark of being Catholic. 
Other religions re-enact what happened at the Last Supper without the
consecration and acceptance of the change brought about through the mystery of


atmosphere of reverence


of hymns that are linked with the readings, are relevant & meaningful to
our spirituality and culture.

Stop singing Latin – not a living language and not a language of ANZ

Hymns that have been composed post Vatican 2

Singing reverently rather than ‘belting it out’

How the Presider actually says the prayers of the Mass esp the Eucharistic

Allowing time for silence esp at Thanksgiving

Doing away with sharing jokes that have nothing to do with the Liturgy

• Prayers and hymns that are inclusive and don’t perpetuate
the lie that God is gender-specific i.e. male



Question Eight

How do our parish or community differentiate
the liturgical seasons?

have very talented people as parishioners who make a very significant
contribution to decorations in the church to enhance the mystery and meaning of
our liturgies


group, in particular, always chose hymns that take a liturgical season into

Currently our weekend Masses don’t incorporate silence very
well. Silence is appropriate in the more reflective parts of the Mass and
liturgical seasons. This is often hard to achieve especially if there is ambient
noise- fidgeting, talking.

We demonstrate the changes
in the liturgical year by using changing colours in vestments, decorations,
music, rituals, additional prayers or the omitting of certain prayers.


recommend a more contemplative atmosphere. At times classical

instead of singing. Instead of hymns with many verses use

mantras to take the scriptures deeper.



Question Nine

do we educate non –Catholics or resting Catholics about the beauty of the Mass?


personal touch is important in making all feel welcome. Pushing of forcing an
idea does not work. People will come back in their own time given the right
support and encouragement.

 We should not be afraid
to talk about the Mass openly when the opportunity arises. We should not feel
awkward about doing this – just be ourselves.


Our Requiem Mass is dignified and beautiful and is a
teaching point in itself

We need to educate ourselves first. Transforming Catholics

them observe how WE live the Mass. If they see us…this will encourage them.

them experience us as a Catholic community who celebrate together; who pray
together with sincerity; who respect and accept each other ‘warts and all’.


Start with families

People who are involved with schools

We have a small group who are involved in visitations –
priests, Legion of Mary, Individual parishioners. Encourage more people to be
trained in the skill of visitation






Question Ten 

How can we overcome any issues that might be
experienced with the changeover of priests in the parish

experience things in different ways.

parish has had its problems in the past.

Mass is the focus. Personal dislikes/preferences must be put aside.

People’s attitudes to one another are important. There
should be respect on all sides

priest is the shepherd… here for an appointed time in our parish.


As a community we have experienced division within the community
when priests have brought forth their agendas without looking at the needs of
the community or listening to what the community needs may be.  Healing has
slowly been achieved as new priests have been appointed and needs have been addressed.
 The Bishop needs to be aware of the needs within communities before
appointments are made.   We think he or Bishop Dennis got it right this time!!.

overcome the issue by encouraging the parish laity to take responsibility for
their parish.        By encouraging priests to do more human development;
ongoing training; professional supervision. New priests to take time to observe
and be respectful of people and current practises, encourage participative
leadership and encourage parishioners to be part of any change and follow
transparent process.